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Why the Y21 Method Does NOT “Lose” 6 dB

An RF.Guru technical deep dive

Why the Y21 Method Does NOT “Lose” 6 dB

Y21 returns a complex impedance. The familiar 6 dB difference appears only after that impedance is inserted into two different circuit models under specific assumptions.

ON6UREY21S21Common-mode chokes
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A VNA series fixture may show about 34 dB for a 5 kΩ choke, while a calculation for that choke in a 50 Ω common-mode loop gives about 40 dB. Nothing has been added or lost. The two numbers answer different questions. More importantly, the 40 dB result is only an example—not a universal prediction for an antenna installation.

Keep the layers separate: S21 describes transmission in a defined two-port measurement. Y21 can be used to extract the series branch impedance. Installed current reduction then requires a separate model of the common-mode source and return path.

Start with the Quantity Y21 Actually Produces

A full complex two-port S-parameter matrix can be converted to an admittance matrix. For a π-equivalent network with a series branch admittance Y3 between the ports:

Y21 = −Y3

Zseries = 1/Y3 = −1/Y21

The result is Z in ohms, normally written R + jX. It is not an attenuation figure and therefore cannot contain a 6 dB gain or loss. A dB value appears only when someone chooses a source, load or common-mode path and calculates a ratio.

The VNA reference impedance—normally 50 Ω—is still required in the S-to-Y conversion. It does not literally vanish from the mathematics. What disappears from the extracted DUT model is the mistaken idea that the two 50 Ω matched terminations must remain part of every later installation calculation.

Model 1: A Series Element Between Two 50 Ω VNA Ports

For an ideal series impedance ZCM between two equal matched VNA ports of reference impedance Z0:

S21 = 2Z0 / (2Z0 + ZCM)

IL2-port = −20 log10|S21|

IL2-port = 20 log10|1 + ZCM/(2Z0)|

The factor 2Z0 is not an error. The measurement model has a 50 Ω source environment and a matched 50 Ω receiving environment. Keysight gives the equivalent series-through conversion as:

ZCM = 2Z0(1 − S21)/S21

This simple conversion is valid when the fixture is well represented by the series-element model. The Y21 π extraction is often preferred when separate shunt admittances at the ports would spoil that approximation.

Model 2: A Reduced Installed Common-Mode Loop

A practical antenna installation may be reduced, at one frequency, to a Thevenin common-mode source VCM driving an existing path impedance Zpath. That impedance represents the external shield path, antenna coupling, mast, station wiring, ground/environment return and any other elements absorbed into the model.

Ibefore = VCM/Zpath

Iafter = VCM/(Zpath + ZCM)

AI,installed = 20 log10|(Zpath + ZCM)/Zpath|

The magnitude bars are essential. Both impedances can be complex. The simplified expression 20 log10(1 + ZCM/R) is valid only when the quantities are compatible real positive resistances. Using it blindly for reactive antenna paths can give the wrong answer.

Zpath is not the antenna’s differential feedpoint impedance. The 50 + j0 Ω seen between the centre conductor and inside of the shield does not establish a 50 Ω external common-mode loop. The two modes have different current paths and boundary conditions.

The Famous 5 kΩ Example

Let the extracted choke impedance be a purely resistive 5,000 Ω and let Z0 = 50 Ω.

In the ideal 50 Ω two-port series fixture

S21 = 100/(100 + 5000) = 0.01961

IL2-port = 34.15 dB

In an assumed 50 Ω installed path

AI,installed = 20 log10(5050/50) = 40.09 dB

The difference is 5.94 dB in this finite example and tends toward 6.02 dB as |ZCM| becomes much larger than 50 Ω. That limiting difference follows from comparing denominators of Z0 and 2Z0:

20 log10(2) = 6.0206 dB

Y21 did not create the difference. The analyst first extracted 5 kΩ, then calculated two ratios using two different external circuits.

Why 6 dB Is Not a Universal Correction

The approximate 6 dB relationship requires all of the following:

  • the two-port fixture behaves as an ideal series element between equal Z0 ports;
  • the installed pre-choke path is assumed to be Zpath = Z0;
  • the choke impedance dominates both denominators;
  • the comparison uses the same voltage/current amplitude convention; and
  • complex phase relationships do not invalidate the simple real-resistance approximation.

Change Zpath and the relationship changes. With the same 5 kΩ resistive choke but a 200 Ω resistive path, the installed current reduction is only:

20 log10(5200/200) = 28.30 dB

That is about 5.85 dB less than the 34.15 dB two-port insertion-loss figure, not 6 dB more. With reactive Zpath, vector addition can create a peak, a null or a new resonance. A real installation may also have several coupled return paths, so a single-loop equivalent is itself only a local model.

Never “correct S21 by adding 6 dB.” Extract or measure the choke impedance, model the actual common-mode circuit, and state every assumed impedance. If Zpath is unknown, the installed dB suppression is unknown.

Why Raw S21 and Y21 Are Easy to Confuse

Both quantities originate from a VNA sweep, but they serve different roles:

Quantity Unit Question answered
S21 Complex ratio, often displayed in dB How much travelling-wave signal transfers from port 1 to port 2 in this calibrated two-port environment?
Y21 Siemens What is the transfer admittance of the two-port network after S-to-Y conversion?
−1/Y21 Ohms What is the series-branch impedance if the π-network model is valid?
Installed AI dB How much did current fall in the specified common-mode source/path model?

A chart labelled “Y21 attenuation” has usually performed an additional calculation after extracting Z. That chart must disclose the chosen source and path impedances. Otherwise it is no more universal than a bare S21 dB trace.

The π Model Still Has Limits

In an ideal π representation, local shunts at ports 1 and 2 appear in Y11 and Y22 while the transfer branch appears in Y21. This is why Y21 can outperform the simple series-through equation when terminal-to-reference capacitance matters.

But −1/Y21 is not automatically the choke alone. Direct port-to-port capacitance, electric or magnetic fixture coupling, radiation, cable common mode, calibration error and distributed behaviour also contribute to transfer admittance. At high extracted impedance, even very small leakage paths matter.

Useful checks include fixture open/short/through measurements, reversing the DUT, changing fixture spacing, choking the test leads, measuring known standards and comparing S21 and Y21 in the region where both should agree.

A Better Way to Report the Result

Publish the measurement and the application model separately:

  1. Component result: ZCM(f) = R(f) + jX(f), with fixture, calibration planes and extraction method.
  2. Two-port result: measured S21 or insertion loss in the stated Z0 environment.
  3. Application estimate: calculated current reduction for an explicitly stated complex Zpath.
  4. Installation evidence: current-probe measurements before and after fitting the choke, taken at several feedline positions.

Bottom line: Y21 has no 6 dB offset because it is not a dB measurement. The near-6 dB difference appears only in a special comparison between a two-50 Ω-port fixture and an assumed one-50 Ω installed path when the choke impedance dominates. Outside those assumptions, calculate again.

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Mini-FAQ

  • Does Y21 add or lose 6 dB? No. It yields transfer admittance; −1/Y21 yields series impedance under the π model.
  • Where does approximately 6 dB come from? From comparing denominators of 2Z0 and Z0 under a specific high-choke-impedance assumption.
  • Should I add 6 dB to an S21 trace? No. Model the actual complex common-mode path instead.
  • Is the installed common-mode path normally 50 Ω? Not necessarily. It is installation- and frequency-dependent and is not the differential antenna feedpoint impedance.
  • Does −1/Y21 always equal the choke? Only to the extent that the calibrated fixture is represented adequately by the assumed π network and unwanted transfer paths are controlled.

Technical references

  • Keysight — Series-Through Impedance Measurement and Conversion
  • Keysight — Full Two-Port S-to-Y Conversion
  • Rohde & Schwarz — Understanding S-Parameters

Questions, antenna-factor records or height trials to share? Contact RF.Guru.

Joeri Van Dooren, ON6URE — RF engineer, antenna designer and founder of RF.Guru, specialising in practical HF/VHF receiving systems and RF components.

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